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"The Arkansas Society of Professional Surveyors (ASPS) is a nonprofit association dedicated to serving the public interest and advancing the profession of surveying."

 

 



Volume 00.2                                                                    The ASPS Update                                                                       October 2000

      


THE ASPS UPDATE


             835 Central Avenue

           Suite 423

             Hot Springs, AR  71901

             (501) 321-0958

 

 

The ASPS Update is not copyrighted and articles, except where noted, may be reprinted with due credit.  The Arkansas Society of Professional Surveyors assumes no responsibility for statements made or opinions expressed in this publication.

 

 

CONTRIBUTIONS OF MATERIAL

This is your publication.  It can never be any better than the flow of news you contribute.  Fax or mail in any items you have that may be of interest to your fellow professionals such as job opportunities, personnel available, safety items, equipment wanted or for sale, or items on which you wish to see discussion.

 

 

 

 


ADVERTISING POLICY

The ASPS Update is the official publication of the Arkansas Society of Professional Surveyors.  We accept advertisements from equipment suppliers and others offering surveying related services. Affiliate members may have their business cards published in each issue at no cost as part of their membership benefits.  ASPS reserves the right to accept, reject or edit (after author notification) any advertisement.  The rates for FY 2000-2001 are as follows:

 

ADVERTISING RATES

Full page:  $120.00        Half page:  $80.00

Business card in our Professional Listing:  $40 for 1 year (about 6 issues)

Ads should be camera ready, black and white.  The number of times that an ad can be printed during the year depends upon availability.  Checks made payable to the Arkansas Society of Professional Surveyors must accompany all requests for advertising space.

 

DEADLINES

Ads should be to the ASPS office by the 10th of each month prior to publication; January, March, May, July, August, October, and December.  These months are subject to change without notification.

To have your Ad published in the next issue of ASPS Update please call (501) 321-0958.

 


Arkansas Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors

P.O. Box 3750, Little Rock, AR 72201

Phone:  501-682-2824   Fax:  501-682-2827

 

 

 

 

 

ASPS OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS

FY 2000-2001

OFFICERS

President - Ken Cotter, PLS

            2113 Hwy. 62 East, Suite B

            Mountain Home, AR  72653

             Phone:  870-425-6161            E-mail:  clsi@mtnhome.com

Immediate Past President - Ivan L. Hoffman, Jr., PLS

            320 O’Bryan Lane

            Van Buren, AR  72956

             Phone:  501-474-7916            E-mail:  hpa@ipa.net

President-Elect - Mickie Warwick, PLS

            P.O. Box 649

            Dover, AR  72837

            Phone:  501-890-3707

            or 501-977-2017                E-mail: warwick@mail.cswnet.com

Vice-President - Paul Walla, PLS

P.O. Box 1080

Springdale, AR  72765

                Phone:  501-756-2772            E-mail:  paul@landtecheng.com

Secretary/Treasurer – Charles M. Storey, PLS

             P.O. Box 1270

             Hot Springs, AR 71902

             501-321-5306                         E-mail: cstorey@fs.fed.us

 

DIRECTORS

District No. 1 - Jim Ramsey, PLS

1729 West Poplar

Rogers, AR  72758

                Phone:  501-631-6663            E-mail:  surveyjim@aol.com

District No. 2 - Dan Mulhollen, PLS

            1825 E. Nettleton, Suite I

   Jonesboro, AR  72401

                Phone:  870-425-6161            E-mail:  mulhollengr@bscn.com

    District No. 3 - Charles D. Webb, PLS

   P.O. Box 1229

   Hope, AR  71802

   Phone:  870-777-4959            E-mail:  cdwebb@arkansas.net

District No. 4 - Michael Granderson, PLS

                 8012 Cross Road

                 Pine Bluff, AR  71603

                 Phone:  870-535-6669       E-mail: granderson@arkansas.net

    District No. 5 – Bart Hight, PLS

3052 Highway 60 East Road

Bigelow, AR  72016

                 Phone:  501-759-3123      E-mail:  bart@hightsurveying.com               

    NSPS Governor - Jim Scott, PLS                        

                P.O. Box 125          

                Salem, AR 72576

                870-895-2747

Administrative Assistant & Newsletter Editor - S. Amber Weida

                ASPS Office

                835 Central Avenue, Suite 423

                Hot Springs, AR  71901         

                Phone:  501-321-0958

                Fax:  501-321-0951      E-mail:  asps@arkansas.net


 


LOUISIANA PURCHASE CELEBRATION

A Land of Opportunity for the

Surveying Profession

by Bill Ruck, PLS

 

 


A statewide bicentennial celebration of the Louisiana Purchase is slated for 2003. The “greatest real estate deal of all time” nearly doubled the size of the U.S. in 1803. The “initial point” – the origin of the surveys of this vast uncharted territory- was placed in eastern Arkansas.  Surveyors of Arkansas – once again - have been asked to play a significant role.

 

Planning for the celebration began in 1996 in the Secretary of State’s office.  Beginning in the fall of 1999 many state agencies and private citizens are meeting several times a month at the Capitol.  A Project Administrator has been hired by the Secretary of State’s office to give everyday administrative support to the Project.  This office will seek state funding in the next General Assembly for the following items:

 

            1.  An AETN video focusing on the historical events,  cultural legacy, and historical impacts of the Louisiana Purchase.  Surveyors will be asked to provide input for the script and filming of re-enactments of period events.  Your chance to be a star.

            2. An education curriculum for fifth graders will be developed and distributed to teachers in 2001, including interactive CD lessons.  A short historical video is also planned. The teacher will link survey history to present day technology by way of an interview, question and answer session, or schoolyard demo by a local surveyor. Surveyors in every community are asked to visit their schools as professional resource people for 5th grade teachers  (not much preparation required).

            3.  Improvements are planned to enhance the State Park at the “initial point” in order to increase public awareness and tourism.  Improvements at the site itself may involve field work and/or research by surveyors.

            4.  Improvements to Capitol Avenue in Little Rock will provide a route to the State Capitol building which permanently reminds visitors of the territorial history of our State.

            5.  A gala celebration at the State Capitol in April 30, 2003, will commemorate in a public way the date of the funding of the Purchase.  Surveyors of then and now will share the media spotlight as the State reflects upon its rich history.

 

The surveying profession will benefit from this publicly funded focus upon the importance of surveyors - both past and present. If you can contribute your skills to any of the items listed above, please let me know.  (501-376-3633 or weruck@garverinc.com)

 

 

 


BOARD OF REGISTRATION FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND LAND SURVEYORS REPORT

by Tom Webb, PLS

 

 

I have the following items to report on:

 

1)      Dr. David Knowles, PLS has been elected Board President.

2)      Mike Marlar, PE/PLS is our new Board member who was appointed in August.

3)      The Board has been working with the State Surveyor to speed up the complaint process.

4)      Current law requires complaints against engineers to be heard within 90 days of being filed.  There is no similar requirement for complaints against surveyors.  The result is that engineering complaints must be given priority.  In this legislative session the Board will work to remove the 90 day requirement and put all complaints on equal footing.

5)      The Arkansas Board will host the annual conference of the National Conference of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors in Little Rock in August 2001.  This is a real honor for the surveying and engineering profession in Arkansas.

 

You will be receiving a Board Newsletter in the next few weeks with more detailed information.  Visit the Board at the State Government web site at www.state.ar.us. The Board's Executive Director is Joe T. Clements, Jr.  The Board office phone is 501-682-2824.

 

CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING

If you would like to advertise a position available or an item for sale, send complete information to the ASPS office, 835 Central Avenue, Suite 423, Hot Springs, AR  71901.  There is no charge to advertise under the classified ads section of this newsletter!


 


NOTE FROM THE EDITOR

by S. Amber Weida

 



“2000 Fall Short-course Highlighted A Great Choice Of Topics”

Such were the comments received from the attendees at the fall event in Jonesboro on September 22 and 23, 2000.  Our thanks go out to all the speakers for donating their time and efforts to ASPS.  Certainly our Secretary/Treasurer, Charlie Storey, and our President-Elect, Mickie Warwick, put much work into pulling the program together.  And our District 2 Director, Dan Mulhollen, contributed to the organizing of the facility details.  One hundred forty-six ASPS members attended the 2 day event held at the ASU Convocation Center.

 

The students at Petit Jean College would like to extend their thanks to Ed Gray of CEI Engineering, Inc., Ivan Hoffman, Jr. of Hoffman-Prieur & Associates, Inc., and Calvin Mulliniks of Mulliniks Surveying for sponsoring them at the Short-course.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Petit Jean College Surveying Club – from left in front, Casey Gifford,             ASPS Immediate Past President, Ivan Hoffman, on the left visiting with

Pat Proctor, Kennith Hazelwood, from left in back, Toby Barton, Mickie           District Director No. 4, Mike Granderson.

Warwick, Evert Turnage, and Shelly Griffin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


          From left, Speakers Jason Kuhlman and Dr. Robert Weih visiting with  ASPS Secretary/Treasurer,

          Charlie Storey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Everett Rowland assisted by Randy Jones and some stud-       The weather was beautiful for the fish fry dinner at the Pine Grove area of the ASU

ents in preparing the fish fry meal on Friday evening.                 Campus.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


                      The ASPS Luncheon on Friday at the ASU Convocation Center.

               

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


ASPS Luncheon on Friday.  From left, Tom Webb and David Knowles with the                       From left, Immediate Past President Ivan Hoffman, NSPS

Board of Registration for PE and PLS, Secretary/Treasurer Charlie Storey,                               Governor Jim Scott, Dist. Director 1 Jim Ramsey, Dist.

President-Elect Mickie Warwick, and President Ken Cotter.                                                       Director 2 Dan Mulhollen, and Dist. Director 5 Bart Hight.


 



REPORT FROM OUR

DIRECTOR OF

LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS

by Ted Mullenix

 

This issue finds us less than thirty days from the general election.  I am optimistic that the renewed energy of ASPS in the election process will be beneficial in the upcoming legislative session.  Mullenix & Associates has worked closely with the ASPS Board and Legislative Committee on a number of legislative races across the state.  Some members have pledged to make contributions on behalf of ASPS.  If you would like to contribute to a candidate in your area, please contact Mullenix & Associates’ office and we will coordinate all our efforts for maximum benefit to ASPS.  We continue to monitor all races and travel to different areas meeting candidates.  In the next issue, we will provide you with the elected house and senate members.

 Legislative Budget hearings began October 10, 2000 at the State Capitol in Little Rock.  The hearings certainly will be very interesting as the legislature prepares to make recommendations to the full general assembly in January of next year.  The governor is seeking a $3,000 per teacher pay raise and is recommending that raise come from existing funds.  As you can understand, this puts a real tight squeeze on all funding.  We indeed have a real task ahead in providing funding for the four-year degree program at the University of Arkansas at Monticello.   The time has arrived for all of you to mention to your respective state representatives and senators that we want permanent funding for this very important program!  Talking points include:

(1)   the program is up and running with students enrolled and attending classes;

(2)   it is the only four-year degree program in SIS/GIS in Arkansas and one of few in the region of the United States;

(3)   it is the only GIS/SIS degree program located in a School of Forestry in the nation;

(4)   the Governor will be pushing a technology bill in the legislative session that will create positions for GIS degreed individuals. 

 

Please inform your local Representative and Senator! 

 

We continue to have productive meetings on legislation to be introduced in the next legislative session.  Meetings with the legislative committee have focused on key issues that will enhance the surveying profession.  Our legislative package is very close to being finalized.  Look for more details in the next issue. 

Please contact Ted Mullenix or Julie Grinder at Mullenix & Associates when we can be of assistance. 

Mullenix & Associates

1301 Central Avenue

Hot Springs, AR  71901

Office:  (501) 623-7300

E-mail:  tedmullenix@arkansas.net   Fax:  (501) 623-1580

We welcome your comments or suggestions!

 

 


ASPS BOARD UPDATE

 

 


The ASPS Board of Directors met on Thursday, September 21, 2000 at the Ramada Ltd. Hotel in Jonesboro.  The Board heard a number of reports.  Some of which included:

·         Administrative Assistant, S. Amber Weida, reported that Membership was currently at 351.  A motion was made to accept the 16 new members who had applied for membership.  The motion passed.

·         Secretary/Treasurer, Charlie Storey, presented the Board with a financial statement of ASPS.  Storey also informed the Board of an invoice received from Mullenix and Associates for Southern Legislative Conference Expenses in the amount of $465.00.  A motion was made to approve the payment of said expenses.  The motion passed.

·         The President presented the Board with a proposed budget that would put ASPS expenses at 111% by the end of the year (an improvement from the proposed 124%).  A motion was made to accept the President’s Proposed Budget as is.  The motion did not pass.  A new motion was made to accept the President’s Proposed Budget with the exception of the changes to payroll and payroll expenses for the Administrative Assistant.  Payroll Expenses would stay at $2,700, and Payroll at $20,000.00.  The motion passed.

·         Ivan Hoffman, Chair of the Legislative Committee, presented the Board with the committees projects, one of which was electronic plat filing.  An outline of the functioning of the proposed system was presented along with what actions are required to implement this plan and what legislation and policy

 

 

ASPS Board Update continued from page 7

changes will be required.  Mullenix reported on his progress on this subject, as well as the location and condition of the State Surveyor’s Office.  Mullenix showed a chart of recommended Senators and Representatives that ASPS needs to contribute to.  There was a motion to allow the Legislative Committee to pursue ASPS legislative goals in regard to the electronic plat filing with alacrity.  The motion passed.

·         Tom Webb, with the Board of Registration for PE and PLS, provided the Board with a draft newsletter of the Board of Registration, “PELS News”.  He reported on disciplinary hearings, meeting dates, and changes to the Board of Registration.  He also noted that there are now four registered land surveyors on the Board.  Webb advised the Board of Directors that the Board of Registration was going to be working on revisions to some statutes (i.e. act 645).  He advised ASPS to stick closely to the Board with its legislative pursuits.  There was a discussion on the need to make a degree a requirement for surveyors.

·         Administrative Assistant, S. Amber Weida, re-ported that there were currently 142 registered for the Fall Short-course on September 22 and 23, 2000.  Income may not be as high as last year due to the large number of student, LSIT, and personnel registration, and therefore full paying registrants were fewer.

·         Jim Scott brought the matter of the proposal from NSPS before the Board again for consideration.  The proposal would involve raising ASPS dues by $70.  Benefits would include free membership in NSPS.  ASPS members would be able to belong to two surveying societies for a reduced rate.  It was decided that the Board would seek the opinion of the membership on this.

·         Bill Ruck, ASPS Representative on the Louisiana Purchase Celebration Team, gave a report on the progress of the four committees dedicated to the celebration.  

·         President-Elect Mickie Warwick reported on the research she had done on getting a new web site going for ASPS.  There was a motion to set up the web site at the initial $500 fee and proceed from there.  The motion passed.

·         President Ken Cotter passed out a handout on his thoughts in regard to improvements/guidelines for the Nominating Committee and election process.

·         The next meeting of the Board of Directors was scheduled for Saturday, December 2, 2000 at 9:30 a.m. in Mountain Home, Arkansas State University Campus.

 

SHOULD A SURVEYOR HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION?

 

 


Rather than in an academic discussion, the answer lies in the reality of our modern daily life.

 

There probably is little argument that the largest investments made by an individual are the purchases of real estate and a home.  The entire chain of legal paper documentation starts with a physical ground survey based on the integrity of a surveyor, often later to be followed by a fence between adjacent property owners.  When a dispute arises, a surveyor is called upon to “follow in the footsteps of the original survey” by either locating existing survey monuments on the ground or following the paper documentation.  As part of his duties, a surveyor may have to research private and public records and become an expert witness in a potential legal litigation.  With the increasing cost of real estate, and the subdivision of land into smaller and smaller parcels, the surveyors find themselves and their expertise in more demand than ever.

 

Another aspect of surveyor’s responsibilities is in the public sector with costly projects, such as the construction or widening of a freeway.  Many hours are spent on the surveys of existing properties on either side along possibly miles of right-of-way; to be followed by the construction surveys for roads, bridges, etc.

 

It is true indeed that in the past most surveyors learned by on-the-job training, because the work pace was relatively slow and the equipment unsophisticated.  It is still true that it is possible to train anybody to ‘brainlessly” push buttons on modern electronic surveying equipment.  It is however, simply not possible to learn on-the-job how the satellites of the GPS system can yield meaningful answers, and how the curvature of the earth has to be flattened in order to display a survey on a computer screen.  Anecdotal stores and half-truths result in very costly litigations for both private individuals and public entities.  Expressed another way, it is absolutely necessary to have a formal education in mathematics, geodesy, principles of law, etc. in order to work effectively and knowingly with the modern surveying technology and provide upward mobility of its workforce.

 

In these days of  “bottom line” and “lawsuit” mentality, it is prudent to have the education when avoiding but one lawsuit against the State would probably pay an appreciable amount toward funding the surveying program.

 

Gaby M. Neunzert – Professor Emeritus

Reprinted from Side Shots May 2000, the publication of the Professional Land Surveyors of Colorado, Inc.

 

 


ROBERT’S RULES OF WHAT?

 

 


Henry M. Robert, although he may have had good intentions, really did a great disservice to the cause of orderly procedure.  I am referring to the author of “Robert’s Rules of Order,” that ominous-looking book which most people regard as the best cure for insomnia that they know.  I suspect that very few people have ever summed up the courage to open it, not to mention actually read or study it.  The newer editions have a summary center section, but even that would be intimidating except to the heartiest of souls.

 

What Mr. Robert and his progeny overlooked in their attempt to be thorough is that 99% of all meetings tend to be amiable, informal affairs which do not attempt to address the great unanswered questions of Western civilization.  The most sophisticated of parliamentary events is usually an amendment to a motion.  One percent of the rulebook would nicely take care of 99% of the meetings.  But by making Robert’s Rules of Order so long and complicated, people are intimidated from learning even the one percent.  As a result, they often learn zero percent and, even worse, they learn a lot of things that just are not so.

 

Like the alleged fifteen minutes of fame that everyone supposedly enjoys once in his or her lifetime, almost everyone is called upon to preside over some kind of meeting sometime.  Those in more natural leadership positions may find that they are called upon a number of times with civic clubs, chapter meetings, association meetings, and whatever other organizations they belong to.  Because most people know little or nothing about the rules of procedure, they try to cover it up with pseudo-sophisticated parliamentary words and phrases, some of which would be totally unknown to Mr. Robert and his heirs and, as a consequence, they end up making something that should be relatively simple a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

 

Sometimes, in fact, it gets down right funny.  My favorite parliamentary faux pas is the avoidance of using the word “no.”  When conducting a voice vote, the proper thing to say is “All those in favor, say ‘aye’ (or ‘yes’); all those opposed say ‘no’.”  Very simple, to the point, no confusion.  But somehow “no” doesn’t sound quite sophisticated enough.  (The chair nervously wonders whether if he asks people to say “no” when they want to vote “no”, the fact that he never read the rulebook will be exposed.)  So instead, the chair comes up with a substitute.  My favorite is “like sign,” as in:  “All those opposed, like sign.”  What does that mean?  Does “like sign” mean that you are supposed to say “aye” even if you are opposed?  Or will any sign do, even a sort of sign not usually appropriate in polite society?  Or should the audience take the chair literally, and shout out “like sign” when they are opposed to something?  My second favorite is the chair that asks those who are opposed to vote yes?  If the chair is moving things along, what happens is that the “yes’s” from those who really want to vote “yes” have not yet faded away before the chorus of “yes’s” really voting “no” begins to be heard.  So no one knows who is really voting “yes” and “no” because everyone is voting “yes” even though some really mean “no”.

 

Then there is the person who loves to yell out “call the question.”  Actually, he is really a little tyrant in disguise without even knowing it.  What he is attempting to do is unilaterally shut down debate, all by himself.  The person who yells that out (and there is one at every meeting) is, in effect, saying, “I am bored and I really don’t want to listen to anyone else’s opinion.  So I will shut you up.”  There is no such motion as “call the question.”  It doesn’t exist, because Mr. Robert, while perhaps a bit verbose, was no tyrant.  There is a way to shut off extended debate, although it should rarely be necessary to use it in most meetings.  Better to suffer a bit than to take away someone’s right to speak.  But if it is absolutely necessary, the motion is “to move the previous question.”  And that motion takes a two-thirds vote to pass, reflecting a proper bias in favor of free speech.  Two-thirds is a lot more than the one vote of “call the question” guy.  There are even some people who think that you can’t even have a vote unless someone says “call the question,” just like there are people who think that nominations cannot end until someone moves to close them.  But neither is true.  The presiding officer, when no one else wishes to speak or nominate someone, simply says, “there being no further discussion (or nominations), we will not vote” or words to that effect.

 

The bottom line is that simple is usually correct.  You don’t need to know the whole book.  By learning a few simple rules – and unlearning a few other fictional ones – you will be surprised how much more you will be in command of a meeting.  Most important, knowing a few simple rules will enable you to act like you know what you are doing.  Most parliamentarians, if they are honest, will tell you that they don’t know all the rules either, but they act like they do and no one ever knows enough to dare challenge them.

 

So here is a bit of what you need to know (or to avoid).  Memorize these fourteen points of parliamentary procedure and you will do just fine:

 

1.       In most formal settings, it is not necessary to have a motion on the floor to discuss something.  The rule is impossible to enforce, so don’t try.

2.       Before you vote on anything, however, there needs to be a motion, which in turn needs to be seconded.

3.       Any time a motion is made, it needs to be acted upon.


It can be voted up or down, tabled, postponed, referred to a committee, or whatever, but it just can’t sit there.  You have to do something to it before moving on to something else.

4.       A motion can normally be modified or withdrawn by the mover without anyone else’s permission at any time before any action is take upon it.

5.       A motion to table something is not debatable, and only lays aside the question for a time.  To actually kill a proposal, it is necessary to make a motion to postpone indefinitely.  It is debatable, and if it passes, the main motion is defeated.  If the motion to postpone indefinitely fails, then the floor is again open for discussion on the original motion and it still must be voted upon.  In other words, the defeat of a motion to postpone indefinitely is not the same thing as approval of the original motion.

6.       A motion can be amended, and it takes another motion to do that.  First, you vote on the amendment and then, regardless of whether the amendment passes or fails, you vote on the original motion as amended (if amended).

7.       There can be an amendment to an amendment, in which case you would need to vote three times; first on the amendment to the amendment, next on the original amendment, and then on the original motion.  An amendment to an amendment (called a “secondary amendment” or an “amendment in the second degree”) must be germane to the primary amendment.  There can be as many amendments as the assembly desires, but pending amendments must be disposed of before new amendments are offered.

8.       An amendment to an amendment to an amendment (sometimes called an “amendment to the third degree”) is out of order (and also probably out of control).

9.       When conducting a voice vote, ask those in favor to vote “yes”, those opposed to vote “no.”  Don’t forget to ask for the “no” votes, even if you are sure there won’t be any.  Being presumptuous is discourteous and undemocratic (it’s not very Republican either).

10.   Always announce the results of a vote, such as saying “the ayes have it; the motion is approved.”

11.   Tell the creep who keeps saying “call the question” to buzz off.

12.   Nominations do not require a second.

13.   You can vote on nominees without having to first close the nominations.  A motion to elect someone “by acclamation” sounds impressive, but a simple vote will accomplish the same thing.

14.   Use common sense, be fair, and act like you are sure of what you are doing, even if you don’t – and no one will ever know.

 

Reprinted from The Oregon Surveyor, April/May 2000


 

Why Did the Chicken

Cross the Road?

It depends on whom you ask:

 


 

John Locke:  Because the chicken was exercising his natural right to liberty.

 

Darwin:  Chickens, over great periods of time have been naturally selected in such a way that they are not genetically predisposed to cross roads.

 

Richard M. Nixon:  The chicken did not cross the road.  I repeat the chicken did not cross the road.

 

Bill Clinton:  There was no improper relationship with the chick across the road.

 

Martin Luther King, Jr.:  I dream of a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads.

 

Saddam Hussein:  This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of deadly nerve gas on it.

 

Plato:  The chicken crossed the road for the greater good.

 

Aristotle:  The chicken crossed the road to actualize its potential.

 

Immanuel Kant:  The chicken, being an autonomous being, chose to cross the road of his own free will.

 

Grandpa:  In my day, we didn’t ask why the chicken crossed the road.  Someone told us that  the chicken had crossed the road and that was good enough for us.

 

Colonel Sanders:  I missed one?

 

Albert Einstein:  Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends on your frame of reference.

 

Buddha:  If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken nature.

 

Ernest Hemingway:  Why did the chicken cross the road?  To die, in the rain …

 

Dr. Suess:  Did the chicken cross the road?  Did he cross it with a toad?  Yes the chicken crossed the road, but why he crossed it I’ve not been told.

 

Reprinted from the Missouri Surveyor – September 2000


 

“Dear Client” Letter

contributed by Wray Childers, PLS

 

 

 

 


Following are excerpts from a letter I recently found in and old file.  The letter, although dated April 20, 1976, may still have some relevance to some of the problems facing land surveyors today.  The original author of the letter is now deceased and we have edited the letter to protect the innocent (or the guilty), depending on how you might look at it.

 

April 20, 1976

 

Mr. John Doe

XYZ Company

101 Main Street

Anywhere, IA  55555

 

RE:  Any City, Any County, Iowa – Property Survey

 

In reply to our telephone conversation this afternoon in which you complained about our bill for surveying services on the above-captioned job, I seem to get the opinion that you do not think you got your money’s worth.  I realize that surveying work is not cheap anymore, and when you only have services to sell and no materials, supplies, etc., you actually have no markup.

 

If we clear $1.00/hour/man on a job after we pay wages, salaries, social security, unemployment insurance, life insurance, professional insurance, workmen’s compensation, and three or four other taxes and deductions, and then pay office rent, heat, light, electricity, telephone, janitors, and then do all of Uncle Sam’s bookkeeping and collecting, and furnish trucks, equipment, transits, chains, taxes, etc., then we don’t have much left as far as profit on the help is concerned.  And our workers do not consider the total pay.  They only consider what their take home for pay is.  It gets pretty disheartening to us to have to get the work, do the work, try for perfection, finish the work, make out the bills and then wait and wait for our money, and no one is happy.

 

Then we have to have the know-how, the records, and all the rest of the things it takes to put the job together and turn out a complete job.

 

Actually, my engineering and surveying life began when I was a water boy on a fence gang (digging post holes, carrying lumber, nailing and doing a man’s work for $1.00/day, and glad to do it).  That was in 1916 on the old Hawkeye Highway.  Since 1920 I have been in Civil Engineering in college and summers, and 12 years of experience in every line of Civil Engineering before I went into full time practice.  As a result I have accumulated and kept in order for almost instant use my records since 1925.  No one had anything like it, but when we work within a radius of 65 miles of our city we have to have records because there are no orderly public records anywhere.  And if you don’t think so, just ask your local surveyors who come in whenever they need to know something about property and subdivisions in and around our city.  We furnish they any and all of our secret records and hourly assistance without cost to them or to the XYZ Company for prints or services, and we are glad to do it to help them out.  Or they could spend hours and hours trying to secure information elsewhere, and then not be sure.  And we have been doing this for the local companies for almost forty years.  We have never asked for a dime or charged the XYZ Company for our time or print costs, and I can say in all honesty, none was charged to any of your jobs or this job or any other job.  We just let it go as an expense to do business and trying to help people.

 

I can see where people think we are expensive.  But what if you started out from scratch on a property survey and didn’t know where to start or what to do.  And you were doing it on a busy highway with traffic going 65 to 70 miles per hour, and you are in the middle of a 24-foot-wide pavement, and you had to go almost a mile for a U.S. Coast and Geodetic elevation for a bench mark.  Then you had to make property plats, take elevations, make a site plan, write certificates, secure answers for all the items on a site requirement sheet which all had to be reliably secured and be true and correct.  You would also have to deal in locating the closest electric lines owned by two power companies and no one close to work  with.  If  you  had  to do all  this to  make a  living,  meet  payrolls,  expenses,  etc.,  you  wouldn’t  think  our  price of

 

 

“Dear Client” Letter (continued from page 10)

 

 


$1,296.89 was so expensive.  Our actual cost for the type of work you got was $924.59.  I would say that I have discussed the actual surveying work over the phone with at least four or five of your company people between Dubuque, Waterloo, and Des Moines, for which I doubt if I even charged.  In addition to all this, you have put me on the spot to prove I was correct and right.

 

If you want good surveying work, you have to spend the time to do good surveying work.  There are no reliable shortcuts.

 

Today, I got the price on carpenter labor from a building contractor.  I have to pay $15.00 per hour for a man who belongs to a union, never went to high school or college, and has no records – just a tool box.  And after he puts in his 8 hours per day he has no worries or problems or deadlines or responsibilities.  And later if his job goes sour, no one asks him to pay back for his mistakes.  Meanwhile, we pay $6,600.00 for professional insurance, and have been doing so for 20 years, and never had to use it, thank God.  And the premium was due the same day our income tax estimate was due.  Neither the professional insurance nor the Internal Revenue take time payments.

 

Your brought up overtime of 2 ½ hours and who ordered it.  No one ordered it, not even me.  But when your men turn in overtime and you don’t pay it, you have Wage and Hour Division from Cedar Rapids right down to see you the next day.  I could cost you up to $10,000.00, whether you are honest or dishonest.  They got ‘ya.  So we cannot quibble.  Even your own employees, who you sometimes treat like sons, will cut your throat if they see an extra dollar.  Sometimes I feel like one should screw people any way you can, like sometimes I get screwed by well meaning people who don’t know a good thing when they see it.  But I can’t be that way.  I have to try to do things right.  That was how I was brought up and trained by our poor parents.  Please do not consider anything in this letter as personal.  It is just the facts of life.

 

Sincerely,

ABC Consulting Engineers & Land Surveyors

 

P.S.  I just wanted to show you the other side of the picture.  Whether you know it or not, the little guy in business is becoming extinct.  Not enough good surveyors are being trained in Iowa to keep up with the retirements.  No one wants to take the mud and dirt and wet and responsibilities, and the continuing education, and all the problems.

 

Show this to my friend, Mr. Smith.  He will get a kick out of this.  Sign off time  9:47:30 p.m.

 

As far as your criticism of our charging you for 2 ½ hours overtime, we can’t help it.  When the men are 15 or 20 miles out of town they don’t want to quit until they are finished, instead of coming back another day and loosing the traveling time each way, and starting time which comes close to one hour when you are distant.

 

Reprinted from Random Lines, SLS of Iowa, July 2000

 


New Insight on Men, Women and Maps

 



For those who follow the science news with an eye to the offbeat:  A report speculating, with provocative insight, on why men are more reluctant than women to ask for directions follows.

 

That wasn’t quite the question the National Geographic Society had in mind when it commissioned a look at why girls have been so rare among contestants in its annual geography bee (and rarer still among the finalists – two out of 120 in the contest’s dozen-year history).  The society has a general concern that American students don’t learn enough about the physical world around them, and a specific worry that schools are short-changing girls on geography. 

The research, conducted by a psychologist and a geographer at Penn State, found the gender disparity arises largely from differences in how males and females see their surroundings.  Girls do more poorly than boys on tests of spatial skill; not surprisingly, they also like geography less than boys do, and boys don’t like it much.  Boys and men are generally more adept with skills of mental rotation, enabling them to visualize a map or diagram from different angles.  ( A woman might say this explains the vacant stare that comes over him as we circle to block for the third time.)  Girls and women compensate by turning the map or instructions around to match their orientation (and, a man might say, she’ll still need help figuring it out).

It’s clear from testing that most schools could do a better job of teaching geography to young people of both sexes,  and  ought  to. But  it’s  just  as  clear,  the  Penn

 

New Insight continued from page 11

State researchers say, that schooling can’t erase the gender gap with maps and globes.

 

Is that a terrible thing?  The days are long gone when intelligence was thought of as a single quality, reduction to a single score.  There is more appreciation today for the multiple intelligences – mathematical, linguistic, musical, mechanical – that are scattered unequally among individuals.

 

There is recognition, too, that differences among people, and between genders, can be complementary.  Bending the pop observations about men being from Mars and women from Venus, it may be that men are more adept at forming a mental picture of the two planets’ orbits, while women can better recount the mythologies of their god and goddess namesakes.  That makes for a richer conversation when they’re out in the car, enjoying the summer day, trying yet again to find the turnoff to the lake.

 

Reprinted in part from a Minnesota Star Tribune Editorial, May 2000

 

Other Observations

The surveying profession across the nation has made some progress in reaching a better gender balance.  Much more needs to be accomplished.  Depending upon your personal opinion, if men and women mentally process geographic data (thus survey data) differently, so much the better for our profession and the public.  The real issue here is what surveyors can do to achieve a better balance.  When promoting our profession in schools, we need to reach out to everyone, regardless of gender, race or age.

 

Reprinted in part from Minnesota Surveyor, Summer 2000


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


In Memoriam

 

Oscar Maxey “Red” Hall died on September 15, 2000.  Max was a registered Land Surveyor in Arkansas.  He worked for the Highway  Department and with various Consulting Engineering firms in Arkansas and Tennessee. 

 

Awarded Surveyor of the Year in 1975, he was selected for his work in forming the Northwest Arkansas chapter of AARLS, and for assisting in the development of an associate degree program in surveying at the University of Arkansas.

 

Max was elected President of AARLS in 1976.  He served as an excellent president and will be missed.

 

 

Food for thought

there’s a hitch to it!

 

With his thumb, a hitchhiker says, “You furnish the gas, car, attend to the repairs and upkeep, supply the insurance and I’ll ride with you.  But if you have an accident, I’ll sue you for damages.”

 

It sounds pretty one-sided, but one wonders how many hitchhikers there are in many organizations.  Many members seem to say, “You go to the meetings, study the issues, contact the legislators and take care of things that need doing and I’ll just go along for the ride.  If things don’t suit my fancy, I will complain, criticize and probably get out and hitchhike to another group.”

 

Hitchhiker or Driver . . . which kind of member are you?



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